tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13940579.post115880606386221547..comments2023-12-29T00:19:03.679-10:00Comments on J. Miller Rampant!: Bush the Torturer in ChiefUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13940579.post-1159300138237099202006-09-26T09:48:00.000-10:002006-09-26T09:48:00.000-10:00"Bush says he is waging a 'struggle for civilizati..."Bush says he is waging a 'struggle for civilization,' but civilized nations do not debate slavery or genocide, and they don't debate torture, either."<BR/><BR/>well put, Mr. Miller, but I don't doubt for a second that those "decent Republicans" are any more decent than a pile of shit. It seems to be quite clearly a case of bait and switch, where a few seemingly decent Republicans disagree with an exaggerated stance on torture (That America should be able to tear detainees limb from limb) and the far-right wing Republicans conceed to the lesser stance (Pres. Bush decides what torture means) even though that is really what they wanted in the first place.<BR/><BR/>It reminds me of haggling practice, where a buyer offers the seller a ridiculously low price for an object, and then comes up to a seemingly reasonable price, that is still lower than the actual price of the object.<BR/><BR/>The difference is we are not bartering over the price of a fucking vase, this is god damn torture we are talking about, and the fact that we are actually arguing over it, is a god damn disgrace to every citizen of this country, and should be recognized as such. Torture is not negotiable, it is clear and definable and Pres. Bush should be impeached for even suggesting it is a subjective subject.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13940579.post-1158925866114188302006-09-22T01:51:00.000-10:002006-09-22T01:51:00.000-10:00Right on the money, paul c.Right on the money, paul c.Joseph Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16904308531108096090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13940579.post-1158883917179350542006-09-21T14:11:00.000-10:002006-09-21T14:11:00.000-10:00Very well put, Paul C.Very well put, Paul C.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13940579.post-1158859651864627642006-09-21T07:27:00.000-10:002006-09-21T07:27:00.000-10:00I'm glad you brought this topic up, because I've b...I'm glad you brought this topic up, because I've been trying to puzzle it out. What I don't understand is how so many people - otherwise honorable and compassionate people (and I mean regular people here, not politicos) - can sign on for this. I mean, even if you're happy with the war and the tax cuts, and are indifferent to or deny the apparent corruption, etc. why isn't this a deal-breaker? Is it that most people aren't honorable or compassionate? God, I hope that isn't it. Is it because they're scared? Do they really believe, as a principle, that anything is acceptable if it makes them safer? <BR/><BR/>The fact of the matter is that we don't use 'alternative' questioning on serial murderers, child molesters, or other sociopaths here, and we don't because repulsive as these criminals are, the treatment is worse than the disease. We don't have to live under Idi Amin to object to people dissapearing down torture room drains - and that's essentially what's happening right now. We have taken years from people based only on our suspicions, and worst than that we've stripped them of their humanity. We locked them away and told ourselves that they weren't really people, they were Islamoterrorists or fundamenalists or something. And for what? Why would anyone want a leader who goes to bat for that?<BR/><BR/>But maybe I shouldn't be surprised. People get scared, they aren't rational, and they are concerned with the details of their lives. I understand that, as far as it goes, but I can't help thinking that at some future late hour we'll awaken and realize that we no longer have any decency. Won't we wonder how it came to this?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com